Are you an Uncle bob?

[Snoflo]

That's a great shot, dachi!! Lovely bride.

[dachinster]

That's a great shot, dachi!! Lovely bride.

Thanks RR

[scullman]

Some lovely shots in this thread!

Cross, I think that's the best time to snap a photo at a wedding, even if you hardly know anyone except the bride and groom, i.e. to capitalize on the photographer's shot. Why do you think other wise? At least you have a photo of the bride and groom that you know and their immediate families, so when yuh looking back at what yuh took, you can say, but wait nah, I know that person etc. Any how, that's my two cents. Let's hear from the others.

If I'm reading your response correctly, to say that you see no wrong in "capitalising on the photographer's shot" by shooting over his shoulder. I hope you realise the error of your ways sooner than later.

This would mean that the person who shoots over the photographer's shoulder completely lacks confidence in their own skills, has no appreciation for the work that can be involved in lighting, posing, composition, or mood, and encourages plagiarism.

I have no reservations to inform people with these intentions that if they really want to assist a professional who was paid to perform a duty at the wedding, kindly head to the kitchen to stir a pot.

Apologies if I've stepped on any toes, but I work hard and take this quite seriously

[crossdrilled]

I think the shooting of a subject that someone shot from the same angle violates copyright. I would actually hate for a bride and groom to get the exact same shot that the hired artist took. The only time I take the same picture as the photographer is the sticking of the cake. That is a free for all in my opinion, but I still won't ape the angle, and I make sure that my flash would not blind him/her.

[riche90210]

what i usually do is make one of my other shooters with me take pics and let the crowd follow him and then i go for the great shots on the other side!

[Shooter]

If I'm reading your response correctly, to say that you see no wrong in "capitalising on the photographer's shot" by shooting over his shoulder. I hope you realise the error of your ways sooner than later.

This would mean that the person who shoots over the photographer's shoulder completely lacks confidence in their own skills, has no appreciation for the work that can be involved in lighting, posing, composition, or mood, and encourages plagiarism.

You speak from experience man, I don't have that experience, so you are right when you say shooting over the photographer's shoulder completely lacks confidence in their own skills etc.

If I did have the experience like you, this shot would have been much better than how it is.

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[renaldodesilva]

Good thread also.

.... It is highly annoying when you're trying to do your job and you have to compete with everyone else who thinks they're Monti Zucker.

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That should be Monte btw.

I think as long as the guests don't get in the pro's way they should be free to shoot what they want, yeh they may hang over your shoulder and get pics similar to yours but they wont have every pic you capture. As long as they don't keep you from doing your job let them shoot. The one thing that pisses me off if having to compete with them for the subjects attention. I have plans to make a tall hat with bright neon lights that flash "LOOK AT ME" when I'm ready to take my pics.

W.r.t shooting for cheap I aint doing it again, 2 months ago my GF's sister got married they had no photog budget but wanted me to shoot, I explained to them that I've spent a sizeable amount of money on my gear and asked for $500 to compensate me for my time. While shooting my 50 f1.4 rolled out of my bag during the hustle to catch the light because they started late and decided they needed to drive all the way from la brea to the end of point fortin to shoot on some beach after dilly dallying at the church. That lens cost me more than $500TT to repair under warranty so I've ended up paying to shoot that wedding. First and Last time.

[crossdrilled]

Good point Renaldo. When pricing for jobs, most contractors (not photographic) look at the following:

Labour (Time is money)
Depreciation on equipment
ROI on equipment (Equipment needs to pay for itself)
Contingencies
Consumables (batteries)
Transport
Standby time (in case wedding starts late/ pushed back another date but they want to retain your services)
Client interface and meeting/ telephone conversations
Preparation time (Time to charge batteries, pack camera bag, etc)
Time to demobilize (Pack up your stuff, go home and clean/ put away your stuff)
Time for documentation (Digital darkroom time in our case)
Time to do prints (not just the cost of the prints eh, your effort in the matter)

Add up all of that then see if what you are charging is fair or not. Now you will understand why a wedding can cost all 15 gran and up.

[Fini]

I'm lost, can I be considered an "uncle bob" ??

[Snoflo]

While shooting my 50 f1.4 rolled out of my bag during the hustle to catch the light because they started late and decided they needed to drive all the way from la brea to the end of point fortin to shoot on some beach after dilly dallying at the church. That lens cost me more than $500TT to repair under warranty so I've ended up paying to shoot that wedding. First and Last time.

Them Nikon lenses must have low build-quality.

[crossdrilled]

I'm lost, can I be considered an "uncle bob" ??

Nope. You concentrated on things that the photographer was not paying attention to.

[Fini]

Oh, wait, I can be classed as an Uncle Bob sometimes. If I get to know the photographer well ( thats happened for 2 weddings as far as I remember), we usually take the same shots since we're standing side by side

[Vonigan]

I was uncle Bob... at my wedding!!..
Ok - maybe not, but having recently invested in an SLR, my 'uncle Bob' gland was raised, and therefore had to take shots.. I passed around the camera (ok - basic kit lens and built-in flash at the time) to my friends that were willing..

The family pics etc, however were strictly 'pro'.. And then there were a few more 'pro' at the reception dinner.. When the camera reached to my hands, I was keen to take at least a few pics of the photographer (since I knew she wouldn't).. for memory sake..

Uncle Bob did help out later in the night, though.. when people were actually having fun, but the hired photographer wasn't around still - memories were still captured.

On another note though.. I wish there was an Uncle Bob taking good video!! - The "pro" video wasn't so pro - he was Uncle Bob himself, getting into his own video!

Having grown since then, though.. At my cousin's wedding, I opted for the undercover sharpshooter mode - like crossdrilled said... taking pics that the photographer wouldn't have taken (i.e. different angle), and staying out of his way.

[Snoflo]

^^ Sounds fine to me!

[sinnersbliss]

I work for free because I just like to take pics , i dunno if its my thing yet


I was never an uncle bob ,for the mere fact tht I hated all the pics the Pro's took they were just simple face on pics . So i took different angles and guess wat , the pro followed me after

scary huh

tht's not a good pro @ all


anyhow , I was asked to be the inhouse photographer @ another function where mind you a well established news photographer /reporter was covering the event as well . Guess wat?! I was standing taking a nice decent pic and the man push me aside to take the same pic !! I wanted to beat the crap out of him ,because the cam nearly fell wasn't my cam and the owner saw and got really mad . Not me again nah man getting on like paparazzi in a big shot event

[crossdrilled]

:lol: I work for free because I just like to take pics , i dunno if its my thing yet


I was never an uncle bob ,for the mere fact tht I hated all the pics the Pro's took they were just simple face on pics . So i took different angles and guess wat , the pro followed me after

scary huh

tht's not a good pro @ all


anyhow , I was asked to be the inhouse photographer @ another function where mind you a well established news photographer /reporter was covering the event as well . Guess wat?! I was standing taking a nice decent pic and the man push me aside to take the same pic !! I wanted to beat the crap out of him ,because the cam nearly fell wasn't my cam and the owner saw and got really mad . Not me again nah man getting on like paparazzi in a big shot event

^^^I doubt. News photographers do not "cover" events. They look for about five shots, and don't stress about missing a shot, at least those I have seen in action and spoken to. If you took the time to talk to the photographer at the beginning of the event, you might not have gotten into that problem.

[riche90210]

I felt kinda like an uncle bob at TTOPS fashion show last night. Me and my crew was just gonna attend cause there were already two awesome photography teams there (Aaron Achan and Lyden Thomas) but at the door they confused us and thought we were more photographers working with them or something, so we got in free. Didn't get any awesome pics really cause i wasn't prepared for the event and i'm sure the pros would have done a lot better than me and my team but it was still good. I tried to stay out of the way of the offical photogs so they could do what they were hired to do.
check the pics at my blog:
http://riche90210.wordpress.com/2010/03 ... hion-show/