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Composition

Postby Shooter » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:38 pm

Would you say this is good composition? And if not, what would you do to correct this composition in Photoshop?

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Re: Composition

Postby shortybiscuit » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:49 pm

No. the plastic bag in the top right is distracting, and the extra petal in the bottom left is also distracting. I'd crop off some of the left.
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:09 pm

shortybiscuit wrote:the extra petal in the bottom "right" is also distracting. I'd crop off some of the "right".
But what will you do with the plastic bag? Give some ideas?
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Re: Composition

Postby anonymizer28 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:39 pm

Maybe you could have removed it before taking the shot? :lol:

But since you didn't, you could always go nuts in PS now.
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Re: Composition

Postby richjob » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:12 am

The plastic bag detracts from what could have been a good picture.
Camera matters much less than the photographic eye and the ability to compose a good picture. After all, you can take a great pic with a cell phone.
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Re: Composition

Postby apple » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:47 am

are those envelopes on the bottom right?
I don't like how pattern on the table runs in 2 different directions.

remove plastic bag, remove 'extra' stem on bottom right, make table pattern all one direction, maybe even paint the wall to match the table :D
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Re: Composition

Postby fotomelange » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:59 pm

clone the bag out with the clone and healing patch tools. i would also crop the image about halfway of the white flowers extending to the right of the image which will gave you less of the plastic bag to clone. I would duplicate the leaf (green grasslike) with the orange flowers on the left the section above the anthuriam lily and place it to the right of the image just behind the 2 yellow flowers on the right that are just to the bottom of the plastic bag.
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Re: Composition

Postby dachinster » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:54 pm

^^Too much work. Retake the shot is much easier. Why spend 3hours fixing it, when you could just spend 30 seconds reshooting it?

Shooter, first of all, you need to identify what is your subject. The rest of the photo should complement that subject or should be made less distracting or removed from your shot.

You should also try to fill your frame with your subject as much as possible, or utilize the power points in the rule of thirds or the other guidelines like here:
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Re: Composition

Postby fotomelange » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:45 pm

dachinster wrote:^^Too much work. Retake the shot is much easier. Why spend 3hours fixing it, when you could just spend 30 seconds reshooting it?

Shooter, first of all, you need to identify what is your subject. The rest of the photo should complement that subject or should be made less distracting or removed from your shot.

You should also try to fill your frame with your subject as much as possible, or utilize the power points in the rule of thirds or the other guidelines like here:
http://www.colorpilot.com/comp_rules.html


Of course getting it in the camera is the best and most time effective thing to do in the "future". I believe shooter wanted to get a sense of how to save the photo and maybe explore sharpening his photoshop skills and manipulation. i think he shot it that was deliberately.
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:08 pm

Nice tutorial Dachinster.

@Apple: What you are seeing there, are 2 tables side-by-side to each other, hence the different patterns.
@Foto: What Dachinster said, would be the best thing to do, i.e. to re-take the shot, nevertheless, I think the best thing to do is to make the plastic bag look like part of the bouquet or better yet, delete the backgromnd and insert my own.

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Re: Composition

Postby apple » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:02 pm

I wanna see it when you're done, plz :D :D
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:48 pm

Step 1

a. Delete plastic bag from background.
b. Clone more table where plastic bag was.
c. Clone out envelopes that was sticking out on the right.

How it looking so far?

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Re: Composition

Postby anonymizer28 » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:29 am

Going good so far Shooter, but like you had cropped the first shot you showed us? What technique did you use to erase the bag?
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Re: Composition

Postby apple » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:20 am

anonymizer28, I now seeing the chair and ting to
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:31 pm

anonymizer28 wrote:Going good so far Shooter, but like you had cropped the first shot you showed us? What technique did you use to erase the bag?
Yes, I did crop the shot, didn't want the chair showing. The removal of the bag was easy. I just used the quick selection tool and depress "delete" and plastic bag was gone. Step 2 looks a bit tricky replacing the different shaded background. Any ideas on how to do that? U r d Pro!
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:57 pm

Step 2

d. Square off table corner where cloned.
e. Match and fill wall colour in right corner above table.

Again, how it looking so far?

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Re: Composition

Postby riche90210 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:41 pm

that actually looks great shooter. Your better with photoshop than me!
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Re: Composition

Postby shortybiscuit » Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:38 am

Looking good so far Shooter. Maybe make a bit more of a gradient on the right side wall?
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:24 pm

Step 3 - The End

f. Had problems matching the paint on the wall and I really do not know how to use the gradient tool.

That's it guys! Anyone else wants to make a try at it fixing the paint on the wall near the flower? Feel free.

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Re: Composition

Postby anonymizer28 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:59 pm

Hey! Good work Shooter! You can smooth things out on the wall by using Select Color Range and grabbing the wall area. Then jump that to a new layer. Run a Dust and Scratches filter on it. It will smooth out the uneven tones while preserving a bit of the finer texture detail. Then erase or mask out the edge created by the corner where the two walls meet. The Dust and Scratches would have messed it up.

It should look like this:
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Re: Composition

Postby anonymizer28 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:01 pm

BTW Shooter, setup your Photoshop to export your JPEGs in sRGB color. It will give you much better consistency on the Web. Depending on what browser people are using, they will notice a difference in color between the version I uploaded and all of yours.
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Re: Composition

Postby Shooter » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:39 pm

You did a good job there anonymizer28. My Photoshop Elements do not have "Select Color Range" or a "Dust & Scratches" filter. Are you referring to CS3?
anonymizer28 wrote:BTW Shooter, setup your Photoshop to export your JPEGs in sRGB color. It will give you much better consistency on the Web.
And I am not sure if I can do this too, but will look into it. Thanks anonymizer28 for the tips man.
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Re: Composition

Postby fotomelange » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:27 pm

very good job shooter.
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Re: Composition

Postby apple » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:58 am

looks good, you missed a piece between the flowers tho :oops: on the right
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Re: Composition

Postby fotomelange » Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:18 pm

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